Java 12,000?

I've been hunting around all week for some clear idea of exactly how many people have attended this year's JavaOne show. In contrast to last year, there wasn't even very much gossip floating around about the attendence numbers.

Well, Sun hasn't stated any official numbers that I've been able to find. However, in snooping around, I've found out that the attendence number is around 12,000. That's basically the same as last year.