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Top 10 Desktop Sessions at JavaOne 2008Posted by joconner on April 23, 2008 at 3:58 PM PDT
My list is below, numbered but in not in any particular preference order:
That's it! Join me for a few of these sessions this year. JavaOne is May 6-9 @ the Moscone Center, San Francisco, CA. And if you haven't registered yet, you'd better hurry. »
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Submitted by mikaelgrev on Wed, 2008-04-23 23:37.
Strange, the preview showed the link OK...
Here it is in text for copy&paste.. https://www28.cplan.com/cc191/session_details.jsp?isid=294928&ilocation_...
Submitted by psychostud on Thu, 2008-04-24 07:59.
John,
i think the java desktop needs more from the swingx side to be integrated into the core swing api. The xtreme gui makeoever sessions are cool ,but the people who make it are experts in swing... it would be better if they reused the exisitng tools and libraries(swingx or jide opensource) instead to do such wonderful things .
Submitted by cowwoc on Thu, 2008-04-24 06:21.
I'd love to read less above frameworks and more about libraries that enhance Java core.
Java is full of heavy frameworks that impose both a conceptual weight and learning paradigm on developers. Matissa was pure gold because it enhanced Swing without adding either of these unwanted constraints. Why can't we have more projects like that?
Submitted by varan on Thu, 2008-04-24 06:40.
Really? A whole session on a layout manager? Java-One does not seem to be very discriminating if it organizes a session around a library which does not even make the top five in its class
In any case the layout problem is now quite trivial if the swing opened their eyes and forget about the six or seven of the layout managers that the package with Java and focus on one that does the job quickly and without any fuss. It can just be a ten minute tutorial, and the developers can go on to do more important things.
Submitted by mikaelgrev on Thu, 2008-04-24 07:21.
Varan, I do not know why you need to be so rude and hostile. Please promote your own LayoutManager instead of bashing ours.
Submitted by kirillcool on Thu, 2008-04-24 08:20.
Varan - the link that you attached lists the most popular layout managers that are hosted on SourceForger. Neither FormLayout nor MigLayout are hosted there, so you can hardly call this list "the top five of its class".
Submitted by joconner on Thu, 2008-04-24 08:46.
Mikael, funny you should say that I should have a top 11 list. I very much considered putting your session into my list! Aah, a top 10 is so hard!
Submitted by varan on Thu, 2008-04-24 09:06.
kirill- Read both the pages: you are only 50% right.
I do not understand the accusation of rudeness or hostility. I just pointed to one link which is quite neutral and objective from which the readers can decide for themselves about what is being discussed here. Others are welcome to link to their own favorite source.
Submitted by kirillcool on Thu, 2008-04-24 12:03.
varan - which pages are you talking about? You refer to MigLayout as a library that "does not even make the top five in its class". If the definition of the class is "layout managers hosted on SourceForge", then it isn't much of a class. What does it matter where the project is hosted? Group layout is not there, Zone layout is not there, Form layout is not there and Mig layout is only partially there (the main download site is hosted elsewhere and has version 3.0.3, while sourceforge only has version 2.1.2).
Submitted by varan on Thu, 2008-04-24 17:47.
kirrillcool - I was just pointing to a place where some objective data is available. As I said, I will not be offended or insulted or even call you rude and hostile if you post a link to similarly objective source that justifies a whole session devoted to one particular layout manager and inverts that ranking in the link I mentioned..
In any case the layout problem is a very trivial part of the GUI design, although Swing has done its best to make it so hopelessly complicated that everyday someone invents a new layout manager
It's just like if someone wins a rat race, he is still a rat. So I don't really care as to which layout manager is deemed to be the best, but I expect Java One organizers to be better informed.
Submitted by bblfish on Fri, 2008-04-25 00:46.
Ah you are missing the BOF Beatnik: Building an Open Social Network Browser, wnich will be a talk about a semantic web destkop client. It is true that its dev.java.net home page is listed as being in the java-ws-xml space.
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