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Derby Demo hits a nerve

http://www.sauria.com/blog/2005/12/13#1440
http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/archives/001151.html
http://mike.hostetlerhome.com/2005/12/15/sql-storage-in-the-browser/
http://codeconsult.ch/bertrand/archives/000602.html
http://ajaxian.com/archives/2005/12/local_storage_v.html
href="http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink?entry=announcing_java_db">http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink?entry=announcing_java_db

Comments

• Does it not require Java and big Derby jars to be downloaded/installed? Seems like a big bother. Why don't I just use JNLP if I'm going to that effort? Or feel free to clarify. (I do like embedded databases, and Derby is one of the nice options for Java.)

  From a web browser point of view, IE already has some limited facilities (http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/persistence/overview.asp), and people have tapped into Flash. Combined with MozStorage and potential WHATWG plans (http://www.whatwg.org/), the native browser support thing is far more likely to be useful in a few years.

  And as mentioned above, if you need local storage today and Java's your plan, why not just a Java app?
  

  Posted by: tjpalmer on December 16, 2005 at 07:54 AM

• Well, yes, it does require a download, but so does Flash. If Derby were installed as part of Firefox (let's say MozStorage uses Derby) then it's no extra cost.

  What's nice about the Derby approach is it's portable across browsers, unlike the native solutions provided by Mozilla and IE.

  And yes, a very good alternative is to use JNLP and do it that way, there's nothing wrong with that approach. There is just the user-experience to consider, JNLP seems like a "separate" thing from the browser, vs. what we demoed which definitely looks like part of the overall browser app, not a Java applet.

  Posted by: davidvc on December 17, 2005 at 01:35 PM

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