Kohsuke Kawaguchi's Blog

Collecting container-specific instruction about how to run Hudson

Installing Hudson is really as easy as it can get, where the only container-specific steps are:

1. How to deploy a war?
2. How to re-deploy a war for upgrade?
3. (Optional) How to set HUDSON_HOME environment variable, system property, or JNDI entry? (it only needs one of them, not all)
4. (Optional) How to set system property to increase the server heap size?

Yet the reports from users suggest that these simple 4 operations are different from containers to containers, so much so to the point that people want the Hudson project to provide container-specific instruction document. The customers are the kings, so I just startedcollecting such information.

And I think this just shows the sorry state of server-side Java portability. I mean, if only the JavaEE spec could require containers to implement a common management API over HTTP, and if a client tool for that is available in JDK, then all I'd need to say is just run "javaee deploy hudson.war http://myhost/hudson/" regardless of what containers you run. An extra bonus point if both the server and the client supports NTLM authentication so that the above command runs without me typing password.

Microsoft does this for IIS. Why can't we?

Comments

• Apart from step 4, this would be what JSR 88 targets. It seems to be supported by Geronimo, Glassfish, WebSphere, Weblogic, JBoss, etc., but I don’t know what this means to Hudson.

  Posted by: nzcarey on March 30, 2007 at 09:59 PM

• My limited experience with JSR-88 (so I could be wrong) is that you need a container specific jar that implements the API. If so, by itself it's not enough to write a container independent tool that works with all containers.

  Posted by: kohsuke on March 30, 2007 at 10:03 PM

• It is easy! I use hudson on a project that really helps in a major way. Of course I use glassfish, so that makes deployment really easy.

  Posted by: scotthutinger on April 02, 2007 at 06:23 AM

• And I think this just shows the sorry state of server-side Java portability

  To be more precise you should have said "just begins to show". It's not just the deployement of war files. It's also in the database configuration and many other areas where each servlet engine differs. And it's not just between different vendors. Context configuration depends on which version of Tomcat you are using.

  Posted by: tcowan on April 02, 2007 at 10:23 AM

• Portability point is important. But it seems that vendors sell their products by scoring over ease of management, built-in tools and IDE support. So, I'd think even if the Java EE spec tried, it is likely that it received vendor resistance.

  A way that useful applications and application frameworks seem to have taken is that of adapting to various vendors. I agree that this is less than ideal, but it would work and make the application available on various popular Java EE vendors.
  Would it be possible for you to write ant scripts that are specific to a given platform? (Essentially scripting the instructions document)?
  

  Posted by: km on April 03, 2007 at 07:56 AM

• 
  I'm bit more sympathetic about database configuration. I'd imagine each database takes somewhat different configuration, so making it uniform sounds like a very tricky thing to do.

  
  Fortunately Hudson doesn't use database, so I avoided that problem.

  Posted by: kohsuke on April 03, 2007 at 09:32 PM

• km — I don't think having a standard interface and doing nice vendor-specific easy-to-use management mechanism are conflicting goals. You are probably right that things are the way they are for reasons, but it's just unfortunate that application developers like me pays the price.

  Posted by: kohsuke on April 03, 2007 at 09:36 PM

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