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Technical Forum on Web and XML -- Call for topics and speakers
Posted by pelegri on June 04, 2004 at 10:45 AM | Comments (11)
I have volunteered to moderate a recurrent technical forum on Web and XML technologies. My current thought is to have a presentation - perhaps a white paper, perhaps a set of slides - on a given topic from one or more speakers, and then to do a bunch of Q & As as threads. A given forum would run for a week or two and the speakers would commit to participating in the discussion through that period, then we would close it and start with a new one. I would like to give it a try for a few topics, then evaluate how it goes and fine-tune the concept if it proves useful.
The topics for the forum would cover XML Applications, Web Applications and Web Services - again, we fine-tune as we go.
I already have a number of ideas and victims... err, potential volunteers. Please contribute ideas in the talkback of this blog.
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Fun and controversial topics
Depends on the audience... If there's a savvy audience and you want it to be fun (i.e. controversial!):
- The path we're going down for data models for Web services is the XML Infoset and XML Schema. What are the ramifications and limitations of this approach?
- What are the practical problems with versioning application protocols described in XML Schema?
- What should we really be doing for Java-XML binding? Do "XSD compilation" approaches like JAXB and XML Beans couple your applications too tightly to a particular application protocol? What role does data transformation into canonicalized formats play?
Posted by: johndbeatty on June 04, 2004 at 12:00 PM
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Fun and controversial topics
Thanks, John. That is a good list.
I'm already counting in getting Kohsuke et al. to do something about Relax NG and how its approach compares to W3C Schema, and in getting some of the Fast Infoset / Fast Schema to talk about what they do.
Hopefully I can get somebody to talk about versioing. Versioning is the elephant in the room; maybe we could get Norm and Dave?
I would very much want to do a session on JAXB 2.0 and practical topics on databinding. Maybe some of the JAXB EG members can participate in there?
Posted by: pelegri on June 04, 2004 at 02:30 PM
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Web Services - state of use
I'd quite like to hear about real world web services examples, but not simple SOAP/WSDL implementations, but projects that have created large scale web service architectures and possible implements WS-* specs beyond the basics.
Posted by: mattlarge on June 07, 2004 at 05:09 AM
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Versioning: +1, XmlBeans +1
All thoughts and experiences on these subjects would be welcome.
Posted by: markswanson on June 07, 2004 at 06:14 AM
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Web Services - state of use
Good topic. There may be two different topics in there: one on large deployments of WS architectures, perhaps built using the core pieces, and another on deployments using the more advanced Web Services specs. On the latter, I know a number based on the the ebXML stack, which is quite mature, he WS-* stack being less so. Where you specifically asking about the WS-* specs?
BTW, here is a link to a Prezo by Gary Ellison showing the relationship among the different "advanced" Specs: http://java-ws-xml.dev.java.net/servlets/NewsItemView?newsItemID=725
Posted by: pelegri on June 07, 2004 at 06:25 AM
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Web Services - state of use
I was thinking more about the WS-* stack, what people thought were the important specs that are required before companies will feel confident about deploying WS. For example do people feel that they can properly support Service Level Agreements using the core specs alone.
ebXML is not so interesting for me, although I realise a lot of people would be interested in that.
As for the large scale roll outs, this interests me because it would be could to compare and contrast our experiences with others on this.
Posted by: mattlarge on June 07, 2004 at 06:36 AM
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Fast Web Services
As you have blogged yourself, performance concerns keep coming up.
Posted by: johnreynolds on June 07, 2004 at 01:53 PM
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JSF.next and JSP.next
Given some of the comments on the
relationship between JSP and JSF, we should touch that too. I've asked the leads for the two specs and I think they would be willing.
- eduard/o
Posted by: pelegri on June 15, 2004 at 07:26 AM
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Relax NG
Kohsuke volunteered to do a presentaton on Relax NG. Maybe James Clark would join us too.
I think this would be a good topic. In the last few months I've seen new interest in the use of Relax NG, although, due to the use of W3C's Schema in some key specs, like WSDL, some of the users are using Relax NG to generate Schema.
Posted by: pelegri on June 15, 2004 at 07:31 AM
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Virtual Token Descriptor
Would there be room for one more volunteer?
A topic that I have in mind is an XmL processing model based on virtual token descriptor-- a 64 bit long that encodes starting offset, length, type and depth of a token. The project under GPL is available at vtd-xml.sf.net. We would like to discuss the design and implementaiton, as well as applications, of our new processing API.
Jimmy Zhang
Posted by: jimmy_zhang on June 21, 2004 at 01:52 AM
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Fast Web Services
I'd like to add a "me too" for Fast WS, which for me is one of the hottest topics I have to deal with right now.
Posted by: pbowker on July 07, 2004 at 08:11 AM
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