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Java One Day 3

Posted by cayhorstmann on May 10, 2007 at 10:53 PM PDT

This is my third day of reporting from the floor of Java One. I ran
into a number of very interesting folks, got the chance to ask more
hard-hitting questions, and had a mixed bag of sessions.

GlassFish and World Wind

I started out with a presentation on the architecture of GlassFish v2.
The speaker said parenthetically how more service providers were offering
GlassFish hosting. That's welcome news indeed. Right now, everyone will
gladly host your PHP app, but try finding a host for JSF+EJB3 at reasonable

Unlike v1, which focused on delivering the EJB3 technology, v1 is an
enterprise scale server with clustering/failover, and support for href="">WSIT
and href="">JBI. I
can already tell that I am totally out of my depth. (It seems kind of sad
that one needs a technology for web services interoperability—wasn't
that the point from the outset?) I am afraid I wasn't the only one. The
presenter went on to say how they needed an open source, lighter weight
alternative to HADB, and he polled the audience on their knowledge about
HADB itself. Not many hands went up.

The speaker did a great job explaining what goes on under the hood, and
I learned a bit of how replication and failover worked. I gained
tremendous respect for the hard problems these folks are solving. But then
there were rounds of applause from the neighboring room, and I left for
greener pastures.

The applause came from the href="">NASA World Wind
presentation. Unfortunately, I had missed all the cool demos and got
treated to more architecture slides. The hardest problem for them was
image selection—the user zooms in, and each tile is several
megabytes in size. Which images do you show? Another problem that I am
glad not to solve. Interestingly, the speaker said "I gave up on Java 5
years ago, but it has come a long way. I am back."

Audience question: "Can I cache the data locally? Or is that terabytes
of data?" Answer: "Petabytes (laughter from the audience). But you could
pick the terabytes you need (more laughter)".

People I Ran Into

I cornered Chris Oliver at the Sun booth and he was kind enough to
answer some impolite questions about Java FX Script. (Doesn't that name
just roll off your tongue?) Why not just build a domain-specific language
on top of, say, Groovy? Groovy is slow and not of the highest quality.
Isn't it a burden to have to learn another language? Programmers are smart
people, and it won't be a big deal for them. Is he happy about the support
he is getting from the NetBeans team? That's not his concern; someone at
Sun will make it happen. What about multimedia? Java multimedia support
has problems; someone at Sun will need to fix that. He is happy that he is
getting a first-rate person to write the compiler; that means more to him
than being featured at the keynote.

On a completely different topic (that is dear to my heart but quite
possibly not to many of my readers), I had a good conversation with
Stanley Doherty of Sun about DITA. When
I write books, I use FrameMaker. It hasn't been updated for ages; it
doesn't even have basic comforts such as multiple undo. But it has one
endearing feature. As an author, I can use a handful of tags (code, note,
heading1, figure etc.), someone else can prettify it to the point of a
printable PDF, and then I can work off the prettified version for the next
edition. But everyone wants to move to XML. I do a lot of casual writing
with XHTML+CSS, using href="">XMLMind and href="">Prince. I always told myself to learn
DocBook, but Stanley thinks I should learn DITA instead—it's simpler
and has momentum. I'll definitely look into it.

Brian Goetz did the book signing for his excellent href="">concurrency
book that you all should buy. He had been kind enough to read the
concurrency chapters in a couple of my books and gently disabused me of my
naivete. We talked about how hard concurrency is, and that there would be
a lot of blood on the floor with multicore and the end of Moore's law. He
said that the best solution would be something analogous to garbage
collection for concurrency
. Then the VM and not the programmer would
figure out how to get concurrency right. This may happen at some point in
the not too distant future. He suggested that I read href="">this

Off topic: Maybe generics is too hard? The JavaOne TODAY magazine (btw,
whatever happened to carbon neutral???) had this depressing
paragraph: “If you are new to generics, you might assume that
generic collections are polymorphic. In that case, it would be correct to
assign an object of type List<Item> to an object reference
of type List<Object>. However, such assignments produce
compile-time errors.” Well, that's how it must be. There is no
ListStoreException, and there can't be because of erasure. Would
it have been better to forego erasure, have collections remember the
element types, allow conversions to supertypes, and give runtime
exceptions, just like arrays do?

Groovy, More GlassFish, Phobos, and the Cambrian Explosion

In the afternoon, I went to Rod Cope's Advanced Groovy session. I
didn't think it was all that advanced, but it was kind of cool to see him
use a Swing program to drive an Excel spreadsheet, all wired together by

The GlassFish v3 talk was a bit of a disappointment too. GlassFish v3
has a module-based architecture, loosely based on href="">JSR 277. That's why it
started up so quickly in the keynote demo. That's kind of cool, and I
learned a bit about modules and classloaders and Maven 2, but it didn't
really help me be more productive with GlassFish.

Afterwards, I cornered Jerome Dochez and asked him what he was doing
about another one of my pet peeves, the href="">Stack
Trace from Hell. When something fails, I want the IDE to point me to
the offending file name and line number in my code, not show me a
humoungous stack trace. He agreed that the module system per se did
nothing to address this, and he suggested we meet after Java One. I'll
take him up on it. This is actually a hard problem to solve, as one of my
graduate students knows only too
. Chunming Dong is working on getting accurate error information
all the way from JSF/JSP through GlassFish to NetBeans. Each time I meet
her, I repeat the mantra: File name/line number, File name/line number.

Finally, I went to the Phobos talk, both because it seemed cool from
the keynote demo and because I promised another graduate student to go. href="">Tom Austin is putting a
metaobject protocol into JavaScript, and he quickly put together an
imitation of Ruby's ActiveRecord, which is of course called href="">RhinoRecord. (Phobos
uses JPA instead, which makes a lot of practical sense but it isn't a cool
use of JavaScript.) The most interesting part of the demo was how easy it
was to move JavaScript code from the client to the server to configure an
Ajax component.

??? style="float: left; margin-right: 1em;" /> I feel like we are in the href="">Cambrian
Explosion period of web frameworks. JSF, GWT, Phobos, Rails, Rife,
Tapestry, even PHP and ASP.NET have some great benefits. But this can't go
on. At some point, evolution needs to winnow down the field.

Check out Elliotte Harold's notes, in particular the API principles. I wish I had been able to go to those presentations as well.