Posted by edburns
on March 5, 2005 at 10:19 AM PST
Q: Motorola guy: Why should I believe that J2EE will withstand the .NET
A.Mark: people may not want vendor lock-in. People aren't putting all
their IP into .NET.
A.Rod: projects are succeeding
A.Cliff: Band together to fight MS. JCP. Open Source influencing JCP.
A.Gregor Hohpe: JCP: give us your idea, Sun owns it. MS: give us your
idea, we hire you. It's about developer mindshare. The stuff that is
most pervasive, is the stuff that's no-one talks about any more. Cobol,
C++. There aren't that many Cobol conferences, but many businesses are
running their businesses on it. People like choices, but not too mant
A.Linda: agree. We have a competitive technology market of our own,
therefore, we have the benefit of having these technologies compete
against each other.
A.Mark: No one does COM any more?
A.Gregor: doch. But new development is outweighed by maintenance many
times over. There is lots of COM out there. MS did lose some of the VB
community with ASP.NET.
Floyd: MS has sent out invitations to developers that are neutral to
hostile to .NET.
Rod: there is some growth in .NET open source things. How long will EJB
and J2EE live?
A.Dion: waiting for the next thing.
A.Mark: Look at core of Java and MS. Java: boundaires: JVM, libraries.
Enables independent evolution. .NET: boundary is Windows. Can't evolve
independently. Personal: but can't MS just introduce this boundary?
A.Rod: MS community is very pragmatic. Let's learn from it.
Audience: I like SOA. Why are you guys dissing it?
A.Gregor: It's coming, but it's not displacing.
A.Rod: SOA is coming, but slowly than it seems. J2EE App Server is
becoming a commodity.
Q: Does it make sense to bring in loosly typed objects directly into
A.Mark: JAXB is going to this.
A.Cliff: Apache XMLBeans is out there.
A.Dion: EcmaScript for XML, E4X, has this.
Q.Rod: What's happening with Groovy?
A.Dion: It's a JSR, it shouldn't be. What else can we do on the JVM.
A.Cliff: Open source is a better venue for early collaboration than JCP,
because the vendor nature of JCP.
Q: J12004: we're going after MS developers. It hasn't happened. Why?
A.Gregor: Java makes people waste too much time on versionitis.
A.Mark: He thinks the component area with JSF is where we can make some
A.Rod: Tools are still not as good as MS.
Q.Nike: missing in java: the nightly batch run. Not a lot of support
for transactionality from a batch process.
A.Rod: Agree. We're not giving any attention.
A.Mark: Agree. Platform is oriented to interactive "real time" apps,
not batch apps.
Q. Putting JSF into J2EE seems to be a marketing thing. Will this have
a negative framework for other frameworks?
A.Cliff: Still the same. People will choose, even if it's in J2EE.
A.Rod: Persistence: there is some clarity in the winner. In the web
space, not yet. It'll be interesting to see who wins.
A.Mark: I don't think that bundling JSF won't stop other frameworks from
existing out there.
A.Dion: Depends on the kind of app you're building.