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Posted by editor on December 3, 2004 at 6:28 AM PST

Is "would be nice" a compelling reason for a new language feature?

The Java Mustang
continues to be a great source of new ideas and debate over enhancements
to the next version of Java. One recent topic that's attracting a lot of
attention is called Between
. The idea advocated by original poster yishai is that Java should
have a tertiary operator that returns true if an argument is between two values, as in:

 if (1 < var < 10) {
      System.out.println("var is greater than one and less than ten.");

This has spun off a lot of responses. monika_krug notes that it's little more
than syntactic sugar for 1 < x && x < 10, and tsinger observes that
it could be implemented as an isInOpenInterval method. But regexguy
supports the idea, saying "This is such an intuitively
obvious thing to read, and I have many times, over the years, wished I could write this
very thing whether I was programming java, C++, f77, ..." And then patrikbeno
makes three

1) i think this would break the way expressions are evaluated,
operator associativeness etc

2) it is not worth introducing new keyword
even if this would be a solution

3) it would be first operator that
takes three arguments (var, min, max) which introduces complexity to
current expression evaluation scheme

The discussion continues on this topic — several replies have been posted since
I started writing today's blog, so why not head over and join in?

Also in today's href=""> Forums, walter_bruce
tries to
clear up misconceptions about "extended primitives"
[Extended primitives are] a solution for entities [that] perhaps should
have been included in Java's set of primitive types but were not.
Usually because they are only needed in particular application
subdomains (eg, complex numbers or 3D points). Because Java provides no
way to extend its set of primitives, programmers resort to encoding
these as small objects currently. However the memory (and performance)
overhead for small objects can be quite high and they could be more
cleanly and efficiently represented as extended primitives if Java
allowed them.

The discussion about making switch() and case
work with objects as well as primitives has brought up issues about languages
that mix primitives and objects, like Java, and those that are objects-only,
like Smalltalk. Some find Java's approach to make things harder than necessary
"Yes but even within this discussion topic (Mustang), there have been
others who have spoken out against the over complication of the languge.
I also know many others that are also not for the the feature but you
won't most likely hear from them in this forum which is unfortunate."

In today's href=""> Weblogs, Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
attention to the filing of JSR-261
: Java API for XML-based Web Services Addressing.
will be voting on this proposal in the next couple of weeks. If the
proposal is approved, we expect a few additional members to have an EG
that represents the interests of platform vendors, tool vendors and
other types of users of the technology"

John O'Connor says
don't know beans
about the next version of NetBeans: "unless you've checked
out the latest NetBeans 4.0 RC1 release, you really don't know beans
about NetBeans. If you've been using the 3.x line of NetBeans for a
while, this new version may be somewhat challenging at first."

In Also in
Java Today
, Terrie Miller blogs about a classic aptitude
test, asking
Can You Handle the
Robot Test?
. "'The Robot Clerk Test' was administered by the US
Census Bureau to interested Civil Service employees who had scored high
on the Federal Service Entrance Exam. Those who scored high on the robot
test were eligible to receive computer training and go on to better jobs
in the Bureau as programmers, doing the work to process the data from
the 1960 census."

Apsect-Oriented Programming can turn traditional programming models
on their head, and that, in turn, can be challenging for tools like
IDE's. Fortunately, IDE's and AOP are coming together. In href="
">Compiling an AspectJ Project Using Eclipse, an excerpt from the
new ApectJ Cookbook, Russell Miles shows you how to download,
install, and use the AspectJ Development Tools for Eclipse, which
provide a graphic view of where AOP advice will be inserted into your

In Projects and
, the href="">NetBeans community that
Release Candidate 1 of the NetBeans IDE 4.0 is href="">now available.
The href="">release
plan highlights 4.0's major features: ant-based build system, J2SE
5.0 support, refactoring, mobility, web app development improvements,
debugger improvements, and more.

The Jini Community's Harvester application container allows you to develop and deploy Jini applications by building "services using a servlet-like API,
and the container handles some of the sticky issues in Jini - in
particular it manages your codebase and provides an http server for
codebase downloads.

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Is "would be nice" a compelling reason for a new language feature?